UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

J Randall Murphy

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
pigfarmer said:
.... is a popular catch phrase like 'quantum physics' has become. Wave that sparkly wand at something these days and all sorts of magical possibilities open up in pseudoscience and cable entertainment. As if the real implications aren't off-putting enough, we gotta make **** up.

I always thought the IH came from Vallee after his experiences, then later reinforced with the Skinwalker phenomenon simply to say that The Answer may not be quite so straightforward. I still find the nuts & bolts idea much more likely even though the mechanisms used to travel may be so very advanced as to appear magical - or what we might call interdimensional today. In other words, maybe the nuts & bolts theory and the IH are really just the same thing and it's a matter of perspective.

It wasn't very long ago we were speculating about Martians and Venusians, now here we are. I wonder what will be used to describe what's going on 50 years hence.
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You're correct. It was Vallée who popularized the Interdimensional Hypothesis. He used it to add an air of mystique to a subject that he was gettting bored writing the same old stuff about. He needed something new for his readers to chew on. So he wrote the book Dimensions. At the time, he was known for saying something to the effect that he'd be dissappointed if UFOs were just spaceships.

He has since abandoned the IH, probably after realizing that it makes no sense. It's a bit like the afterlives discussion we were having, where the assumption is that there is some "extra dimension" that things can come and go from, but in the case of the IH, it doesn't require them to be dead first.

Unfortunately, the IH hypothesis falls apart just as fast. In this case it's because the situation resolves into being the same as another universe with it's own three dimensional spatial constructs — not a single extra dimension. Canadian ufologist Chris Rutkowski and I are in agreement on this point.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Researchers are looking for aliens in the depths of the sea​

Various stories about unidentified flying objects (UFOs) often capture attention, but a recent claim by an American professor adds a new dimension – a UFO passing rapidly under the sea.

Professor Bob Maguire, from Virginia Tech, made this sensational assertion based on his experience as a defence analyst. Maguire, who worked for the Institute for Defense Analyses, recounted an incident where he claimed to have witnessed an alien spacecraft moving through the ocean.

Maguire emphasises that there was no room for confusion or misunderstanding in his account. He disclosed that while onboard the USS Hampton Submarine, engaged in official duties, he detected signals indicative of a fast-moving submerged object, reports news18.com.

The submarine’s sonar had reportedly identified an Unidentified Submerged Object (USO) travelling at a speed surpassing that of sound in water.

The professor highlights the remarkable aspect that, despite the extraordinary speed, the submarine remained intact, defying the potential destruction that such an object could cause. “We were on our way and suddenly I heard a sound. It was really strange and clear that something whistled past us,” says the professor.

This intriguing incident transpired in 1990, and Maguire asserts that he was explicitly instructed by officials at that time to keep the information confidential. The nature of his work during the incident was classified, contributing to the veil of secrecy. While discussing the event, Maguire refrains from disclosing specific details such as when and where it occurred.

According to the submarine’s sonar data, the object was moving at speeds exceeding 3,330 miles per hour, an order of magnitude faster than the speed of sound in water. This mysterious encounter has caught the attention of UFO researchers, who are now searching for unidentified underwater objects (USOs).

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J Randall Murphy

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
nivek said:

Researchers are looking for aliens in the depths of the sea​

Various stories about unidentified flying objects (UFOs) often capture attention, but a recent claim by an American professor adds a new dimension – a UFO passing rapidly under the sea.

Professor Bob Maguire, from Virginia Tech, made this sensational assertion based on his experience as a defence analyst. Maguire, who worked for the Institute for Defense Analyses, recounted an incident where he claimed to have witnessed an alien spacecraft moving through the ocean.

Maguire emphasises that there was no room for confusion or misunderstanding in his account. He disclosed that while onboard the USS Hampton Submarine, engaged in official duties, he detected signals indicative of a fast-moving submerged object, reports news18.com.

The submarine’s sonar had reportedly identified an Unidentified Submerged Object (USO) travelling at a speed surpassing that of sound in water.

The professor highlights the remarkable aspect that, despite the extraordinary speed, the submarine remained intact, defying the potential destruction that such an object could cause. “We were on our way and suddenly I heard a sound. It was really strange and clear that something whistled past us,” says the professor.

This intriguing incident transpired in 1990, and Maguire asserts that he was explicitly instructed by officials at that time to keep the information confidential. The nature of his work during the incident was classified, contributing to the veil of secrecy. While discussing the event, Maguire refrains from disclosing specific details such as when and where it occurred.

According to the submarine’s sonar data, the object was moving at speeds exceeding 3,330 miles per hour, an order of magnitude faster than the speed of sound in water. This mysterious encounter has caught the attention of UFO researchers, who are now searching for unidentified underwater objects (USOs).

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With such reports, I think it's important to differentiate between "identified" and detected. They're not the same thing. If RADAR can be spoofed — why not sonar. I can even hypothesize a technical explanation, but not really into writing an essay right now. For those already familiar with the COVID Scamdemic, it's alanalous to the famous "cases" versus actual disease numbers.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Very interesting read, with doubts on many of the claims...

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Extraterrestrial Research and Cover-Ups according to Dr. Michael Wolf​

Dr. Michael Wolf, a former government scientist, had come forward with shocking revelations about the US government’s involvement in extraterrestrial research, cover-ups, and violations of treaties with extraterrestrial beings.

Dr. Wolf claimed that he worked for 25 years in various secret projects related to alien life forms, technologies, and interactions.

He stated that he was part of a group called the Alphacom Team, composed of 12 scientists from different disciplines, who had direct access to extraterrestrial information and communication. He also mentioned personally meeting and befriending several alien species, such as the Zeta Reticulans, the Pleiadians, and the Nordics.

According to Dr. Wolf, the US government had been hiding the truth about the existence and nature of extraterrestrials from the public for decades, fearing that it would cause mass panic and social unrest.

He mentioned that the government had also been violating several agreements it made with some of the alien races, such as the Treaty of Granada, which stipulated that the US would not interfere with the aliens’ activities on Earth and that it would not harm or capture any of them.

A whistleblower revealed that the government had been secretly experimenting on alien abductees, reverse-engineering alien technologies, and even engaging in military conflicts with some of the hostile races.

Dr. Wolf had stated that he decided to come forward with his testimony because he believed that the public had the right to know the truth and that the time was ripe for a global disclosure of the extraterrestrial reality. Please note that Dr. Michael Wolf has since passed away, and this information is presented with the awareness of his current status.

Extraterrestrial Research and Cover-Ups according to Dr. Michael Wolf​

The first US crash/retrieval of an ET craft occurred during 1941 in the ocean west of San Diego. Retrieved by the navy, dead Zeta Reticulans, alias the ‘Greys’, were found inside. Craft and bodies were taken to the Foreign Technology Section at Wright-Patterson Airforce base in Dayton, Ohio, and studied by the Retfours Special Studies Group.

After dismantling the craft parts were sent to S4 and Indian Springs in Nevada. This craft crashed due to the recently invented pulse radar being tested on the nearby Tinian island, located three miles south/south west of Saipan. The US navy has held a leadership position in UFO matters since.

The Roswell Crash during July 1947 did happen and that the account in Colonel Corso’s book ‘The Day after Roswell’ is accurate. Dr Wolf had, in his possession, the official satellite government ET crash/retrieval list and while others occurred between 1941 and ’47 he was not willing to offer examples.

Two craft crashed at Roswell after colliding with each other during an electrical storm. One contained ‘Greys’ the other ‘Orange’ ETs – both named due to the colour of their skin. The ‘Orange’ types come from the Andromeda star system. The Santilli autopsy film is genuine – Dr Wolf had seen other similar footage – and is an autopsy of an ‘Orange’ ET.

There were two different autopsies being carried out on two different ET beings during the same period – hence the confusion.

The autopsy on the ‘Orange’ ET revealed that it had a very large head; big dark eyes with no irises or whites; six digits on hands and feet; the brain has four lobes; is more developed and connected with no corpus callosum; different optic orbs and nerves; and a sponge like digestive system. Dr Wolf said he’d met one alive.

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There are different types of ‘Greys’. He worked alongside highly evolved ones which had, contrary to present opinion, personalities and even a sense of humour. Dr Wolf never met a ‘Grey’ whom he disliked. To him they were family. These ‘Greys’ enjoyed hugging and kissing humans. This upset some of his colleagues. One nicknamed them ‘kissey facey’.

Their smooth and soft bodies feel like dolphin skin to touch. He communicated with these ETs through telepathy. Dr Wolf became especially friendly with one called Kolta. A picture of this ‘Grey’ is on the front cover of his book – an actual photograph taken by an admiral friend.

There is active trading between the ‘Greys’ and ‘Oranges’. Dr Wolf said, “Trading has a different meaning for ETs. They share knowledge like technology and philosophy and send their people to each other’s planet to learn the culture.”

He had conversed with human looking ETs from the Pleiades and Altair star systems – nicknamed the Nordics and Semitics. Dr Wolf explained they are very spiritual people and act more as galactic counsellors.

On May 1st, 1975, a ‘little misunderstanding’ occurred between the ‘Greys’ and humans at S4. During a demonstration of a small anti-matter reactor the head ET asked the guards, Blue Beret soldiers, to remove their rifles and bullets from the room.

A safety precaution so these weapons wouldn’t accidentally discharge during the energy emissions. The guards refused and in the ensuing commotion a Blue Beret opened fire and killed a ‘Grey’. Two scientists and 41 military personnel were then terminated. One guard was allowed to live – testifying that the ‘Greys’ used a form of directed mental energy at them in self defense.

A number of the scientists presently working for the satellite government were abducted when children by the ‘Greys’ so their intelligence and general brain capacity could be increased in preparation for the work ahead. They are hybrids.

His first major assignment was working alongside Carl Sagan and other top scientists – their job to understand the intricacies of a huge ET beacon dubbed The Monolith – first discovered floating out in space by Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin and American Alan Shephard during 1961. It was eventually brought back for investigation in 1972. Dr Wolf described it as ‘postcards from the rim’.

The Monolith emits both light and tone signals along with a mathematical language. On closing your eyes, while tuned into these signals, “You see in your mind’s eye a 3D film of the Galaxy. But you are actually there as if part of this film. The images being seen today by the Hubble telescope are the same ones I saw 25 years ago.” Dr Wolf said there are many Monoliths out in space and were devised by a group of ET races.

Carl Sagan consistently denied the ET reality because his superiors, “Threatened to cut off the funding to his department at Cornell University if he said otherwise.”

He was involved in various genetic experiments – one being the Sentinel Project. After perfecting cloning techniques on animals, Dr Wolf and his associates successfully created an artificially-intelligent human named ‘J-Type Omega’ – their superiors wanted a superbright, superpowerful soldier who would follow orders without fear or question. But Dr Wolf surreptitiously programmed ethics into its intelligence after realising that ‘J Type’ had a soul. When the being refused to kill a harmless dog, his superiors ordered its termination.

Instead, Dr Wolf set ‘J Type Omega’ free. This ‘intelligence’ is presently living somewhere in America.

MJ12 does exist and now has 36 members. He was reluctant to divulge names although confirmed that former American Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger and father of the hydrogen bomb, Edward Teller, are present members. MJ12 regularly meet at various secret locations including the Batelle Memorial Institute at Columbus, Ohio.

The Sentinel Project involved a close association with the ‘Greys’. The ETs’ vast knowledge on genetics being essential for its success. ‘J Omega’ was grown in a water tank from an embryo. Part of the DNA used came from Dr Wolf. It took exactly one year before he was ready to be ‘awoken’. Dr Wolf said, “When taken from the tank he looked around 20 years old.”

When ‘J’ awoke, “He was like a puppy dog – his mind a vacuum. He asked question after question. He wanted to know everything.” Dr Wolf showed him film reels about Earth’s past wars and conflicts. “He cried when he saw these horrific images. In hindsight I showed him too much.” He learnt several different languages and could use 50% of his brain – unlike the mere 10% harnessed by humans. “When his mental abilites were tested his IQ shot off the map.” Their relationship was like father and son.

Harvesting of animal tissue, through the so-called ‘Cattle Mutilations’, is to produce organelles – specialised parts of a cell that resemble and function like an organ – which can be placed into humans for filtering out pollutants from the air, water, food etc.. Present experimentation is being carried out on the hybrids – part Zeta/part human – or ‘In-Betweens’ as Dr Wolf called them.

These organelles can also be used to alter the body’s hormones and for changing precursors in the brain from being toxic to non-toxic. “These cells are minute and a non-invasive procedure.” Cattle genetics are very similar to humans.

When Dr Wolf’s superiors ordered ‘J Omega’s’ termination, with the help of a general friend, he smuggled him out of Area 51. “To me it felt like a sin to create a being with emotions and a soul and then send him into battle.”

‘J’ is safe and well. Several organelles were placed in his body to keep him disease free. “He knows who he is and how he was created. ‘J’ is almost identical to a human and would easily pass a medical examination.” The Zetas were pleased with the result. ” ‘J’ told me he wished to become a teacher.” Dr Wolf believed this was a one-off [one-of-a-kind] project. “I told him never to contact me. It’s too dangerous.”

He briefed four different American presidents on the ET reality. Jimmy Carter was keen to end the UFO cover up but when told of the religious implications he backed down. “I attended this meeting. Carter had strong Christian beliefs. When told that religion is man-made and probably unique to this planet, he broke down in tears.”

Both Ronald Reagan and George Bush are very knowledgeable on the ET reality – especially Bush, being former head of the CIA. Bill Clinton was the least aware. He knows of Area 51 but not S4. “Clinton has ‘Above Top Secret’ and ‘Need to Know’ clearances but does not have the ‘Umbra Ultra Top Secret Clearance,’ which gives access to upper level MJ12 secrets and ‘Keystone Clearance’ for information on ET research.”

Many people in MI5, MI6 and the SAS are aware of the ET reality. While reluctant to give names of those he briefed at Downing Street, when staying in London he became good friends with former Conservative cabinet and defence minister Sir Malcom Rifkind. “Rifkind is very knowledgeable on the UFO subject – especially the flying triangular craft. He believes the cover up is correct. That people are not ready to be told yet.”

The Queen has been superficially told of the ET reality – Margaret Thatcher was also briefed but knows just a small part of the story.

We unofficially landed on the moon before 1969 although he wouldn’t give a date. “Our astronauts were observed then communicated with by ETs while on the Moon. We were warned off the planet. That’s why the last Apollo mission was cancelled at the last second. The astronauts are dying to tell the truth but know it could be interpreted as treason.”

NASA has played an integral role in the UFO cover up. They have been designated as one of the primary organisations to eventually tell the world about the ET reality.

Richard Hoagland is primarily correct concerning structures on Mars and confirms that we have bases on both this planet and the Moon. The recent Face on Mars photograph, which shows a very different image from the previous one, has been doctored by NASA. “They believe humanity is not ready for this knowledge.”



In a chamber at Giza and another located between the paws of the Sphinx skeletons of 7 ft tall beings with large eyes have been discovered – their hands and legs chained together with silver. “For some reason early ET visitors could not break through silver.”

A Stargate has been discovered in a Giza pyramid. Investigating scientists believe it to be a lens which creates wormholes to any part of the universe.
It hasn’t been activated yet. “We need to know a lot more about this Galaxy and others before using it – where you want to go and how to prepare yourself. It’s about what you dial in. Co-ordinates have to be established.

The problem is there are no traffic signs out in space.” Dr Wolf felt this will be one of the last projects we’ll learn about through our association with the ETs.

He personally pioneered a mental expansion process called The Gateway treatment . An experiment to, “Open the brain up – a way to stimulate the neurons allowing billions of synapses to form and therefore use of a vastlincreased mind.” One off-shoot is an ability to telepathically communicate with the ETs.

This mental expansion developed into a series of mind control experiments under the name MK ULTRA. Dr Wolf and colleagues learnt how to extract as well as repress human memories. The latter is called Mind Capping. “These techniques are not as effective as the ET methods.” This also led to research on remote viewing and other psychic phenomena.

“The end result of all these experiments may be an attempt by some at world mind control – a chilling thought.”

There is a group of impotent, xenophobic and paranoid generals, charged with the protection of American skies, who fear and hate the ETs and are waging war against them. Called the Cabal, they use Star Wars weaponry including a neutral particle beam to shoot down ET craft and imprison survivors while attempting to extract information by force. “The very technology the ETs gave us is now being used against them.” Despised by many within the satellite government, this Cabal also use aggressive methods against those who try to end the UFO cover up. A concern being that this aggression will intensify as the big announcement draws ever closer.

Leading UFO researchers and members of the satellite government who are presently helping to end the cover up may have been zapped by psychotronic directed energy devices owned by the Cabal. People like Dr Steven Greer and assistant Shari Adamiak (CSETI); Congressman Steve Schiff; USAF Col. Steven Wilson (former head of crash/retrieval unit Project Pounce); Dr Michael Wolf himself; his primary unnamed CIA superior; plus others have either recently died or are suffering from cancer related illness. Coincidence?

Through his genetic experiments he found that some humans, including himself, have ET gene markers. “Many people who are actively involved in the UFO field will probably have these genes.”

Several different confederations of ETs are visiting us. They include The Alliance consisting of human looking beings from the Altair Aquila and Pleiades star systems; The Corporate made up of various ‘Grey’ races from the Zeta Reticuli system; The Federation of Worlds which include an unspecified number of different ET groups from the universe; and the United Races of Orion which consist of various beings from that star system.
These confederations are also inter-linked with each other.

In a treaty, signed by The Corporate, there’s an ‘Above Top Secret’ United Nations ruling which states that no Zeta is allowed to walk amongst the public and be seen by them. Unfortunately, Dr Wolf’s friend, Kolta, strayed into a ‘no go zone’ and was shot by a soldier. He found the wounded ‘Grey’ hiding in his apartment. “I concealed Kolta in my bedroom closet minutes before members of the CIA appeared at my door. I managed to act innocent and sent them away.” Dr Wolf called a doctor friend who knew about these ETs. “We managed to save Kolta’s life. Lead is toxic to Zetas. So he would have died of lead poisoning from the bullet rather than the actual wound.”

Proposals for the announcement have been postponed three times – partly due to the S4 incident in 1975 which halted negotiations with the ‘Greys’ and partly to the huge religious and world economy implications. The recent Life on Mars admission is the foundation for future revelations.

The Vatican are especially worried over these forthcoming announcements.

They have asked the American government to hold back, especially on the religious question, so there is more time for them to prepare. Dr Wolf said the Pope has changed the Roman Catholic view on God. “Their future line will be ‘we are not in the image of God but our souls are’.”

He had spoken at length to the ETs about God and death. “Our bodies are merely containers for the soul. When people die their consciousness simply moves into another dimension.” On God Dr Wolf said, “Some ETs call God The Forever – the creator behind everything in the universe.” On Jesus Christ , “He was of joint ET/human heritage – sent to Earth as an attempt to end human violence.” Whether a Zeta, Pleiadian, Altaran, Human etc.. we share the same God – we are all family.

Dr Strecker’s published research report, identifying HIV/AIDS as caused by a man-made virus, is correct. The satellite government has discovered that viruses are crystalline in structure and using the correct frequency can destroy them.

The US had in their possession a ‘Grey’, dubbed EBE (Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), as a prisoner/guest from 1948 until its death in 1953.
Scientists initially used pictographs as a form of communication.

Some ETs occasionally eat vegetation, fruits or vegetables. Their digestive systems are far more efficient than ours absorbing and processing thoroughly. They mainly absorb energy from the air. Visits to the toilet are not required!

Earth is one of the few planets which doesn’t control its weather. One reason why ET ships crash during extremes of climate – especially those using gravity propulsion. Dr Wolf says, “Their craft are no different to boats in a violent storm – bobbing up and down on large rolling gravity waves. To counteract these difficulties some ETs surround their ships with plasma energy or fly inter-dimensionally through a storm.”

A planet is a living entity with its own consciousness. ETs commune with their planet to create a harmonious relationship. Dr Wolf says, “Some planets grow buildings of pure silicon for the inhabitants out of unconditional love. I have seen and held this silicon. I have also witnessed Zetas communicate with Earth.”

ETs are astounded by how badly we treat Earth. They can’t understand why we wish to destroy it. How multi-nationals can continually rape this planet through greed and avarice. One of the Alphacom Team missions is to determine whether, “We can use the ETs technology to restore Earth to its former pristine state of natural balance.”

Technology gained from the ETs include LEDs, superconductivity, computer chips, fibre optics, lasers, gene-splicing therapy, cloning, night-vision equipment, Stealth technology, particle beam devices, aerospace ceramics and gravity control flight.

ETs like many things about humans. Dr Wolf explained, “They especially love our great imagination and creativity along with the ability to have profound dreams. But they would like to speed up our spiritual evolution.”

Many ETs who visit Earth are actual tourists. While we take holidays in other countries, more advanced beings visit other worlds. “Compared to most planets Earth is almost unique with its vast diversity of nature, culture and inhabitants. As primitive planets go we are a popular attraction.”

Some ETS prefer living underground as they can control the environment to suit their needs. They also use electro-magnetic shielding where the molecules are so dense that nothing can get through. Dr Wolf hinted, “We still haven’t explored the deep oceans or the inner crusts of Earth.”

Alphacom Team discovered that many human looking ETs are presently amongst us. He said, “They can breathe our air and on the street would look exactly like us.” Around 1,000 Nordic types are living in Spain alone.

A Nordic has a perfect and very sensitive looking face with few lines; blue eyes; usually blond hair; around 6 ft tall; very clean; no body odour; and mainly communicates telepathically. But while on Earth uses a small implanted voice- box to converse with humans.

Their internal organs are fairly similar to ours although the digestive system is different. They don’t need to eat everyday. Their cells don’t die because the genetics are dissimilar.

They have a base on a French Polynesian island and walk freely amongst the inhabitants.

Nordics have powerful minds. Dr Wolf said, “They can open a dimensional portal just through a single thought and physically disappear. I have seen this done. They live on a much higher plane than us. Thoughts are an energy and Nordics use a device, either worn or placed in a pocket, that amplifies this energy. They also harness crystals for the same purpose.”

During one afternoon in 1990 an ET craft, escorted by F-16 fighters, landed on Puerto Rico, in a busy tourist area. The ETs stepped out and walked amongst the populace. Dr Wolf said, “It was an exercise to test the public reaction.” The Mayor of this island wrote a letter to Bush stating, ‘At first we were amused by all of the sightings but then people became distressed. What do I tell them?’ The President passed this communication onto Dr Wolf. “It was stamped all over with the words T52-EXEMPT (E) which means this letter can never be declassified.”

While studying at MIT for his PhD in physics he discovered a new theory of wave particle duality which later developed into a neutral particle beam. Dr Wolf commented, “I had hoped and envisioned that this technology would be used for treating cancer. Instead it was used as a weapon as part of the SDI Programme (Star Wars).”

The ETs told him, “All worlds in the Galaxy are connected. One Hiroshima atomic bomb can affect every different culture.” They also explained, “Thought is energy. It can be received on other worlds. There is no galactic barrier.”

Mossad, Israel’s intelligence organisation, “has very good relations with the ETs – especially the Semitics.” There is a strong historical association with the country.

The top secret space plane, The Aurora, runs on liquid methane and has anti-gravity on board. It carries an electromagnetic pulse weapons’ system which can knock out tracking radar. This plane can also travel to the moon.

Some military pilots are experimenting with mind control to guide advanced planes. Dr Wolf said, “Some ET craft are living conveyances which are able to divide and reform. These craft are also responsive to thought commands.”

The underground base at Area 51 is a sprawling city, the size of Rhode Island, which continues to grow and has a sister base called S4, some 12 miles away, and another named Indian Springs. It employs hundreds of civilian and military and has at least 8 different on-going black programmes along with an annual $2 billion budget. There’s intense security outside with martial law inside and is patrolled by elite guards.

Some scientists live at the base for 6 months at a time. While their bedrooms are basic the ETs live in their own magnificently designed apartments. There are also shopping malls, military style shops and leisure areas including swimming pools, gymnasiums and basketball courts. The food is excellent.

Satellite government scientists have successfully created zero point energy and cold fusion. “There needs to be a smooth transition into these new sciences. Otherwise the world economy could be wrecked.”

Thanks to: Richard J. Boylan (www.ufonetwork.com/boylan/); James Courant (audio tape ‘In conversation with Dr Wolf’); Paola Harris (utenti.tripod.it/paolaharris/). This article had been read and approved by Dr Wolf before his death.

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pigfarmer

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I'm in my 'beware Greeks bearing gifts' frame of mind that has me wondering exactly why Kirkpatrick has said what he has. He's a lot of things but stupid certainly isn't one of them. If he were a stooge you'd think he would have stayed and not resigned. Is all this a larger and newer and more sophisticated Bennewitz procedure? Coulthart playing the role of the useful idiot? I really like what he has to say but am having an increasingly harder time swallowing it. Dangle appealing bait and never, ever produce anything verifiable or unequivocal. It's all unnamed sources and anecdotal stories. Even if it really is little green men the topic has been undeniably a part of the Cold War, brinksmanship, however you'd like to put it and this is beginning to smell like nothing other than a new chapter. That NYT article came out at the end of 2017 and since we still don't know **** but people like Knapp, Corbell, Elizondo. DeLonge have all gone on their merry way fanning the flames haven't they?
 
Spaceman spiff

Spaceman spiff

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Didn't Kirkpatrick get a revolving door job at Battelle, and stay as a "free time consultant" to AARO. I don't think he never really "left", at least from a loyalty standpoint to the powers that be, he just moved.

I don't find his new job at Battelle, which has been linked in the past to Blue Book research, a coincidence.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
pigfarmer said:
I'm in my 'beware Greeks bearing gifts' frame of mind that has me wondering exactly why Kirkpatrick has said what he has. He's a lot of things but stupid certainly isn't one of them. If he were a stooge you'd think he would have stayed and not resigned. Is all this a larger and newer and more sophisticated Bennewitz procedure? Coulthart playing the role of the useful idiot? I really like what he has to say but am having an increasingly harder time swallowing it. Dangle appealing bait and never, ever produce anything verifiable or unequivocal. It's all unnamed sources and anecdotal stories. Even if it really is little green men the topic has been undeniably a part of the Cold War, brinksmanship, however you'd like to put it and this is beginning to smell like nothing other than a new chapter. That NYT article came out at the end of 2017 and since we still don't know **** but people like Knapp, Corbell, Elizondo. DeLonge have all gone on their merry way fanning the flames haven't they?
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Well, lets put it this way, Caulthart is serious guy and he's good at digging up dirt. His success attracted big audience and now MIBs are now feeding him red herrings. Same thing happened with that award winning US woman journalist ( forgot her name ) who did phenomenal and rational research on cow mutilations. Then MIBs started feeding here up with all kinds of hallucinations and she swallowed all of it in spades

I had a many years long period of analysing physical effects around UFOs, so I'm very familiar what UFOs can and can not do. I got goose pimples when Caulthart said that "UFOs are based on a totally new physics". I can assure anybody that in 400 - 500 UFO cases I went through I have not encountered a single case where witnesses didn't describe something that can not be explained, at least in principle, with old vanilla mainstream science. Granted, these are electro-magnetic and relativistic effects that majority of people without scientific background wouldn't readily be familiar, but that's all that is to it.

Problem is a low level of scientific education amongst both media and political people and their general view that "everything is possible". Well, that's just motivational malarkey.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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We'll never really know, that could just be conspiracy theory and we lean into it because of the Condon Report.

All told, the people charged with protecting the Big Secret and those trying to let it out are both doing a hack job of it
 
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